A few weeks ago I interviewed commercial pilot and retired Navy fighter pilot Paco Chierici about autonomous flight, and his new novel, Lions of the Sky.

I wrote up the interview on Forbes.com.

Paco and I also recorded a podcast. We talk about his novel, the present and future of aviation, and how autonomy is already affecting pilots.

You can also watch Paco spin loops in a fighter jet ✈ ️😉